On this episode, Matt interviews David Beckham, while they attend and teach at SYNC. David talks about his senior focus and how he wants people to look at his work and ask, how did he light that? David talks about posting his best work, always. David gets fired up and is excited about new photographers wanting to give and meet new people and how fast they’re growing their social media following. Listen in to hear about David wanting to “be good enough” when he was first starting his business. Don’t miss what David would and wouldn’t spend 1k on. And you definitely want to hear what David thinks about his Sony equipment. David also spills about what he’s up to next and you want to be in on that!
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David: 00:01 Hey, this is David Beckham and you’re listening to from nothing to profit.
Speaker 2: 00:05 Welcome to from nothing to profit of photographers podcast with Matt and Kayak where each week they talk to photographers about what is working in their business now so you can swipe those ideas and grow your business faster.
Matt: 00:22 Hey everybody. Matt here. Uh, I have a really awesome guest today, David Beckham. I’m actually here at sync in Florida and we’re actually sitting in my condo and David and I message back and forth and I was like, you got to come over and record a podcast cause if you guys don’t follow him online, you need to, his senior photography is probably some of the best in the industry. And David, we met probably I’d say five years ago, five, six years ago at sea at seniors ignite and we’ve been following each other ever since. So, um, obviously I know you for your senior photography, but share with the audience, you know, kind of what they wouldn’t know about you by following you or you know, where you’re from and stuff like that as well.
David: 01:02 I’ve got a studio that I opened in 2009 in Pickerington, Ohio, which is right outside of Columbus, Ohio. Go Bucks. I had to say that when I opened it, I was doing every kind of photography possible cause I was trying to eat. Now I do just seniors and I say Jess seniors and I do some other things, but seniors is all I market. My website, my, my, uh, social media is all seniors. I focus on a fashion styled of senior photography. So it’s kind of cutting edge as far as that goes. And I found that that separated me from the locals and allowed me to be profitable in and have a good time doing it.
Matt: 01:46 Yeah. So when I look at your photography, what I think of as I see, uh, like just good lighting. You know, I think your lighting stands out and I think that’s what pushes you above the market. You know, like you said, you know, it may be like a little edgy, I don’t even know if the word the word is edgy or not, but um, you know, definitely the lighting. So that looks, it looks modern and current. Um, and definitely doesn’t look like a mom talk type.
David: 02:09 I hate, I hate, uh, too much flash. So I developed even before the high speed sync and the cool technology they have now, I was using alien bees and using them at the lowest power possible with filters on my soft boxes so that I could control the light as low as possible so that I could shoot with a great depth of field a long time ago. And now that the new technologies out there, it makes it even easier. But I want to make all of my photos look like perfect ambient light, not like flat.
Matt: 02:45 Yeah. And I can see the flash and your photography because I see the catch light. I see some of the shadows, you know, and how you’re lighting, you’re using loupe light and stuff like that. But I wouldn’t say it looks super flashy at all.
David: 02:56 That’s my goal. I don’t, I want people to, how was he doing that? That’s what I want people to think. Yeah. And that’s my number one question from other photographers. How are you doing that? And I always say, just come to my workshop
Matt: 03:08 then I’ll show you. Right. Yeah, to the train. I can definitely see it, but it looks really, really good. All right, so let’s jump into the main part of the podcast and what I want you to do is kind of tell the audience what’s working now for you in your business. I mean we talked about how strong your lighting technique is and stuff like that, but when you think about your business or you think about your photography, what does working in now for you? I think,
David: 03:31 and I’m, and I’m saying this from my perspective because I know it works. I post great photos on all my social media. I don’t post goofy memes, I don’t post a lot of personal stuff. I post great photos and I think that helps separate me from everyone else. They don’t come to my site and see what my grandkids are doing or what my dogs do and they come to my site and see what I’m doing and who I’m photographing. I think I have a good handle on having my models cause most of the people I post are my reps. So I’ve got 40 people that I post. Mostly I post everyone, all my clients, but mostly I’m posting my reps. So it’s a very fashion forward. It’s different, it’s good lighting. It’s cool. I’ll experiment. Um, on my, especially on Instagram and, and, and my website now my story, I’ll get a little more personal, a little goofy, goofy, but on my main stuff where people are going to see my work, I want to put the best that I got out there every time.
Matt: 04:39 And so I think that’s just a really good lesson in terms of branding and general because you’re, you’re making a conscious decision to use Instagram as a, you know, as a place to brand yourself and you’re like, I’m not going to brand myself as a dog owner. I’m not going to brag on myself as the, all these other things. I’m going to brand myself as a good photographer. That Ha that photographs amazing people. And like you said, experiment and stuff like that with so that you’re putting not average stuff out there cause you’re not just posting like average session stuff. Right. I don’t do a lot of behind it.
David: 05:11 The scenes, I don’t do that kind of stuff. People can get to know me through other ways, but I’m focusing on my work as my primary primary way of attracting people.
Matt: 05:23 That’s awesome. All right, so I love that. So let’s talk, let’s kind of switch gears real quick and just talk about where you kind of see the industry going in general are not necessarily where you see it going, but like what are you fired up about in the industry right now
David: 05:37 I, I work with a lot of young photographers that I meet and I go out of my way to meet them. They speak in terms of community, the word community. They use the word community now they’re building their empires through growth, through social media in a way that I’m just learning from them. I like the way that they’re eager to give back and meet other people and do things. I think it’s fresh from the old, how do I get a $4,000 sale? How do I get a $3,000 sale? Now I understand we have to get the $3,000 sales to make a living. But I like, I like the, the new way of approaching photography. Um, I talked to people that have no clue about lighting and they’re producing great things and they’re doing it through post-processing versus getting it right in the camera. Both are equally powerful in the finished image. And, and I like, I like that.
Matt: 06:38 Yeah, no, that’s a, that’s refreshing for me. And we taught Kaia and I talk a lot on this podcast about how, where, you know, the industry holds certain things true. And I liked how you said like it can be done multiple ways in different ways because you hear some of these people that have been in the industry for a long time and they’re like, it has to be right out of the camera. It has to be, this has to be that. And I sometimes I just think that’s not necessarily true as long as it’s right for the customer.
David: 07:02 I hear people my age complaining about how you know, it’s so hard to do things with all these young people that don’t know what they’re doing. They’re putting out bad product, blah, blah, blah. I’ve had the best year ever this last year. Every single year I’ve been in business I’ve had growth because I’m not listening to the negative. I’m looking at new ways to do new things, to reach new people and if we fall behind because we’re trying to sit on what we’ve done for the last 10 years, they used to be successful. We’re going to keep falling behind.
Matt: 07:33 Yeah, and so what I, what I don’t hear a lot of people talking about in our, in our industry then I think you’re, you’re, you’re talking about that I hear a lot like in the marketing industry is when the marketing industry, we talk a lot about how you like the market dictates what is good, what’s bad, what’s successful, what’s not successful. You don’t hear a lot of people in our industry saying that successful because the market says so. They, a lot of people say, yes, that’s good. Yes, that’s bad. Not from the customer standpoint, but from like the industry in like norms. Does that make sense? Like that’s good lighting. That’s bad lighting. That’s good sales. That’s bad sales. That’s a good business model. It’s a bad business model where the truth is good in some aspects. Good lighting is dictated by the market. Like if people are buying that are not bad, lighting is dictated by the market. If if it looks bad to the consumer, then that’s bad. In a sense. It’s bad. We know as professionals what good and bad lighting is, so the light, he may not be the best example, but
David: 08:34 let me, let me get her up there. Lighting’s a great example because when kids started taking selfies 10 years ago, they took selfies. Now they all know what lighting is. They all know and they know in my studio, the window lights amazing. So if they’re going to take a Selfie, it’s not going to be in the back. It’s going to be up where they can get the gray window late. They know how to park their car in the right direction to get wind. The right lighting. Lighting matters to kids now and and good lighting in the finished product matters to them now to where 10 years ago when everybody was a photographer shooting and burning or or doing whatever they were doing, lighting didn’t. Now it does. And, and even now with the new iPhone x with their, did you just Boca out my kid or kind of person focus out of focus out a kid, you know, so they all know what Boca means. Yes. You know this, that the 16 and 17 year olds do. Their parents don’t really don’t have a clue and the photographers all do because we all think it’s funny when the ad came out, but, but they get it now. They come into my studio and they see it and they see, I’ve been mastering that for the last 10 years already. Now I’m popular now. I’m what they want because I can get that look with real photos that they can print on the wall or do whatever else they want to.
Matt: 09:59 All right. You ready for my million or a million dollar idea? You’re welcome to take this and run with it cause you actually Mike, cause here’s such a go getter. If anybody out there is listening and they still this idea, all I ask is that when you name the product you put like mh like in the, the the name of the product or something like that. So you know, I know it was from me. I don’t need any money unless you make a billion then send me 100,000 but I want to make a backdrop that attaches behind the, you’re like behind you in the car so it just stretches in front of your seats. Like just a black thing that’s just fills in your car. It’s kind of dome shape. It goes right to your shoulders. So that when they, when you do a Selfie, it can be a black or gray or white background and that you don’t see the back of the
David: 10:38 calling. You would have to be what, what’s that 17% gray or something. Exactly.
Matt: 10:42 Yeah. But I think if you could find one just like the Velcros in the car though, that that would be awesome. So anyways, that’s my, that’s my million idea, that million dollar idea I’ll never execute on. Okay. So, um, let’s jump into the lightning round real quick. I mean, we’re way ahead of time, so we’ve got plenty of time to talk about these. We don’t have to go faster. Um, so tell me again, how long have you been a full time photographer?
David: 11:03 Full time since 2009 started my first senior. I did in 2001 but I was doing other things. Okay.
Matt: 11:10 So when you think back to those that time, what, what was holding you back from being in a full time photographer?
David: 11:16 When I first started, I wanted to be good enough. So that was my goal was to be good enough. So the getting over the hump that I’m good enough was probably holding me back more than anything. Um,
Matt: 11:31 and what does that mean for you? When you say good enough? Was it like photography skills or business skills or all the above?
David: 11:38 Well, definitely, well first was the photography skills, the business skills. I’m intelligent. I took business classes as I was an engineer before I was anything and I was a youth pastor after that. So I had the people skills, I had business skills. The photography skills is what I needed to learn on. So for me it was making sure I had the photography and then figuring out how to run the business before I went full time.
Matt: 12:03 That makes sense. And I, what’s interesting to me and I, I guess just because I’m on the business side and my wife Alison is on the photography side. Like I didn’t have to go through a lot of that. Like are we good in like photography skills are good enough? I just always thought she was good enough. So I pushed her into owning her own business. But yeah, I can see why that would really hold people back. I mean, because yeah, if you, if your confidence is so important in everything in life, but especially in business,
David: 12:28 but not just confidence, I had to be able to sell it to make enough money to live off of where when I was an engineer it was easy money, you know, to make a ton of money. It was easy. But then I became a youth pastor, so I learned how to be poor and after being poor, it was easy to go into a visit, learn how to run a business and be poor for a little.
Matt: 12:46 All right. That, that makes a lot of sense. That’s hilarious. Um, I could totally see like, yeah, it’s just like a different perspective and you’re like, well, there’s not much more room down than here. You know, I’m, I’m are, I’m already eating saltine crackers. So like if my business doesn’t work out, I’m right where I am. That makes a lot of sense. Okay. So if you had $1,000 right now and so, so we’re at the sink in Florida and you’ve got $1,000 and you were going maybe to the trade show or anything, what would you buy that’s photography later? Like what do you think’s important to buy? So this is kind of advice for other people that may be, you know, spending money or what, what do you think is important for you?
David: 13:23 Marketing. Okay, I’ve got all the equipment I need and, and I could get by with good photography for, could shoot with anything. I keep hearing that as I preached Sony and these people that are afraid to, to actually try this new technology. You know, their first comment is, you know, a good photographer can shoot with anything. You must not be a good photographer if it took you Sony to be one or something like that. So for me, I don’t need the equipment. Um, the marketing is what I need to spend my money on because I know the way I marketed it brings me a new client.
Matt: 14:04 Yeah. One of the goals, right? You, you spend $1,000 on marketing and it brings you back $10,000 you know, that’s kind of, that’s the ultimate goal. So, um, people can reference it back. I’ll tell you the story. I don’t know if you heard the, the episode that we recorded with Jeff Richardson, but he actually sold all of his Nikon equipment and a switch to Sony and then like shot it for like three weeks. So like imagine this, he sells all of his Nikon equipment for pennies on the dollar switches disowning pays full price for it. She was a for a couple of weeks, couldn’t stand the digital view finder cause you know, he’s been shooting for so long, he couldn’t stand it, sold all of his sone stuff then for pennies on the dollar, went back and bought all new Nikon equipment again. And uh, he’s the only one I’ve ever heard of the actually like made the switch and just could not handle it, you know, and it’s real answers, but everybody else had, seems like they made the switch to Sony. Really loves it. So what were you shooting before, by the way? I shot cannon five d three was my yeah.
Matt: 15:14 And everybody says, I said we should not gone. So I don’t know whether, but everybody I talked to that is thinking about leaving Canada to go to Sony talks about just the miss focusing. Yeah. Well and and an icon people. It’s the same. What I’ve heard, what I like about the Sony was I’m a zero right. Cause cause you have eye auto focus. Right. And so it just nails it every tenuous and it’s to the point where I don’t, I took a three, a three step ladder, a three step step ladder everywhere. So if I wanted to change my point of view, I would just climb on that ladder to shoot down at him. Now I just have to raise it up and point it down Adam and flip the little monitor so I can see what I’m shooting. I see the little green square on there.
Matt: 15:59 I know I’m going to nail the shot. Yeah. That’s so interesting. It almost like they almost removed a whole element. Like that wasn’t that important to us. And photography, like having a sharp image was important. But it wasn’t part of the creative process. It was like something that as you’re doing the creative shot, you had to think like technically and then go back to creative and it they almost just like removed it for us. And so now I can be creative. Yeah, I can frame it anywhere. There’s no, there’s no more setting the focus and then reframing. Right. Because, because you can focus anywhere in the F in the picture it, it finds the eye, whether it’s on the corner, in the middle, whatever. So for me, there’s no comparison. Now there’s some color issues people talk about. I kind of like the Sony color.
Matt: 16:46 If there’s anything I’m going to say negative about it. It’s the, you know, the view finder, but yeah. You know, you just to finish out that matters. Not what you’re seeing before you shoot. Exactly. Um, yeah. So that was, that was a super good tangent because just to remind everybody we started with, it’s been $1,000 on marketing, but so, okay. So then I give you that same thousand dollars. What would you not buy it on? Like, what would just come off the list instantly. You’re like, I’m not going to spend it in this area. I mean, I just spent a ton on equipment so I don’t need to spend it on equipment. I mean, I, I feel that way for sure. Like I’m not a big guy about spending money on equipment. Let me tell you, I’ll tell you a story real quick. So before I started in the, the portrait business, I’m Alison and I worked at a camera store in Denver and that’s how we met.
Matt: 17:30 And we ended up getting married and you know, it’s like wonderful love story David and his wonderful love story. But, um, I met a lot of photographers that would come to us, you know, and buy equipment or back in the day drop off film, but you know, by digital equipment as well. And I just saw some of the most successful ones, not shooting the nicest cameras and some of the guys that just were really struggling shooting the really nice stuff. So I’ve always had this mental thing where it’s like, it’s not about the equipment, you know? And so when I’m asked this question, you know, what would you not spend the thousand dollars on? I would just wouldn’t rush out and buy equipment because I think you can be successful with a lot of different,
David: 18:05 yeah, the the the, if you’re not doing quality photography, better equipment isn’t going to help you. Yeah, and that’s exactly right. And then to the same token, better editing things aren’t going to help you either. So, so the thousand I would spend, if I’m the thousand for me right now is marketing the thousand for me. 10 years ago was education. Yeah. Go find someone that you know is better than you and learn from them. Simple. I mean, I go spend time with Gary box and Craig stayed on because they’re going to make me a better photographer. I’m going to do that. Ben Shirk. I’m going to hang out with benchmark. I’m going to learn how to be a better photographer now. That’s how I get better every year. And when I come to sink, you bet I’m going to every single class because I want to be a better photographer, a better marketer. I’m doing all of that. So every time I teach somewhere, or when I go to imaging, I’m going to learn from someone else, you know? Damn Mcclanahan I sat through his class to learn how he does lighting, how he does stuff. Cause that’s gonna make me better. The best money you can spend starting out is uneducation not on equals.
Matt: 19:15 Yeah. And what I think’s really cool is that, you know, because you and I have followed each other and been around each other, I don’t know, five, six, seven years now is that you learned from all these people, but I don’t see you chasing like their style, right? Like you’re, you’re very true to yourself. And then you’re like, okay, I’m going to learn from Dan Mcclanahan and just see what he has to offer and I’m going to figure out how to add that to what I’m doing. Where I see other photographers, like they’ll go to dance class and they’ll shoot like Dan for six months and then they’ll go to like Amanda Holloway Class and she was like Amanda for six months, you know. Um, so I think you’ve got to learn from those people, but that doesn’t mean
David: 19:47 chasing exactly what they’re doing. Yeah. Figure out if what they’re doing can enhance your style. Yeah. The thing that separates me is my style. Yep, exactly. That is, and is when I tried to be like Ken Smith, Ken, and if Ken Smith is built an empire and senior photography 30 years ago, probably more than that, 40 years ago. And I was in awe of his work and his studio is two miles from me. So, so here I am trying to be like him, but cheaper. I can’t do that. There’s just no way. If people want him, they’ll go to him. So as soon as I started doing my style of work, we both exist in the same vicinity. His, his studio, he’s not there anymore, but his studio is still there and they’re still very successful. I’m successful and we’re two miles apart. So, so because you’re getting, cause I’m not doing what he’s doing, I’m doing one day back
Matt: 20:45 and you’re letting the market choose your style, his style, his business.
David: 20:48 Yeah, absolutely. That makes a lot of sense. Um, okay. So what was the best, what’s the best advice you’ve ever received in life for in photography? Either one. If you have, let me give us both. Go. Let me go life. Cause I’m an art guy. I’ve always been an art guy. And in college I went to bowling green. I was in a product design degree. So I was, I learned some photography, I learned some art, I learned some, I wanted to design toys. That was my goal. So here I am in this art class, which should be the easiest classes for me. And they were the easiest classes for me and I would wait till the last minute and then throw together the project and know it would be good enough. And so I did this one project and I w and I literally waited til the night before I spent four hours putting this project together.
David: 21:37 I turned it in and I was happy with it. I wasn’t thrilled, but I knew it would be good enough. It was probably better than 80% of the classes. I get it back and I got an f from your professor. Right. And his comment was, if you spend as much time on your projects as you did on your excuses, you’d be my best student. And you may have actually men and one of his best producing students. But he was looking at the big picture in the big picture was he knew I could do better. And to me that changed the way I approached everything I did well because they won’t look for a reason to get by. Look for a reason to do your best. Well yeah and it’s so interesting. I mean I used to be a school teacher and if you ever listen to Seth Goden talk about public education and what it trains you to do and it trains you to like procrastinating, it trains you to like do things last minute or just do just enough to get the grade you want.
David: 22:39 So if you want to be a c student, you just do enough to get a c, it trains you to do that. And it sounds like you had that mentality and then he called you out on it, which is huge. Well, I would just coast on the things I knew I was good at. And then, you know, putting in enough effort, you know, to get by. And this was one of those classes. It was going to be an easy a, it was going to be an easy GPA booster, blah, blah, blah. And he wasn’t going to let it be a GPA booster project more than know how much time I spent was probably not as much as they could up. So my best, um, the best advice with business, um, was recent, um, from Jessica Robinson, I think you’re going to do a podcast with, I met her here last year. It’s sync changed. Just, just reinventing my pricing and, and a sales process has, has helped me grow tremendously. So that would be my most recent. And I spent a day with her at her studio watching how she runs her business and I changed the way I do thing and my sales have up 800, $800 a person. So it’s been great.
Matt: 23:49 Yeah, no, I’ve never really spent any time with her. And I posted it in a and the sink Facebook group and I was like, Hey, who wants to do a podcast? We’re here. And she jumped in and was like, yeah. And I was like, I had seen her from afar, but I’m really never dug in and know that much about her. So I’m really excited to get to know her more. You’ll enjoy working with her. I just, there’s so many people I want to get to know this. I mean, I’ve been here years and years now and just like every time I come I’m like, okay, I want to get to know that person better. I want to get to know that person. Well, I might put a shameless plug in for Jessica and I are running a workshop to this year. We did one last October.
Matt: 24:20 It went very, very well. We’re doing one in May as well. So no, take a second. Um, we’ll come back to the last couple of questions, but before we got on the air here, you were talking about you’re doing a couple of workshops. Feel free to plug them. So you got one coming up with Gary Box. Yeah. And that’s not officially announced yet. So you heard it here first, right? Well this is a scoop. What is it? We don’t do it. Well this is, this will actually come out publish after you tell everybody has seen it would have been a scoop. Gary box and I are doing a workshop
David: 24:48 binge ally at his studio in Oklahoma. Um, it’s going to be a weekend, a weekend set. Um, you’ll, you’ll be able to find it on my website, his website, and we on both of our, a bit will be on both of our education sites. I have an education site called ask David. I’m on Facebook as well and we do a lot of stuff there. I’m doing a workshop with Jessica Robertson, uh, that one’s in May
Matt: 25:13 and we’ll link all these in the show notes too. So just give me links.
David: 25:16 Yes. Okay. We will. And then I’m doing a Thomas Wynne and a new young hot photographer, Logan Daddy. You got to look him up. Um, US three are doing a shootout in April, so that one’s coming up close. We’re doing that out of my studio and and Pickerington Ohio. So that should be fun. I’m going to be speaking up in the twin cities with the twin cities PPO up there. I’m going to do a thing up there. What else have I got?
Matt: 25:44 You’ve got a lot going on. Yeah, I’ll be, I’ll be in Minneapolis workshops. I do four workshops out of my studio. Small group, six person workshops. Cool. Um, so tell me the name of the guy, the young guy up and coming. Logan. Daddy. Yeah cause we were talking before we got on the air about you just thought he had such amazing character and stuff and so I have this idea, I’m going to pose this idea. It’d be cool to get him. And then my favorite person, my favorite for the young photographer on Instagram is when Wiley, you put them in a room together and let them host a workshop and talk about like new, different ideas and warfile too. Yeah, just cool guys man
David: 26:22 cause so creative. So different. So, so
Matt: 26:28 fun. Fun is the answer. And what’s interesting is like they, they do a lot, they don’t, they don’t do a ton of marketing. And from what I see like traditional marketing, because they’re following a so strong and their personality comes out in their work so much that people just gravitate towards
David: 26:44 them. And I think that’s so cool. Like it’d be cool to have the set a couple of those guys and just give them time on a stage and explain what they’re trying to do. And it would just, it would blow everyone’s mind because I see the old and the new and the, you know, I can relate well with young people and I relate well with people my age. I’m 59 and I hear all the negatives that people my age that have been in the business 40 years are saying. And I think if we just opened our eyes to what is fresh and what is new, and I think the industry’s got a bright future, but it’s got to change to get there. I can’t do it the way we’ve always done it. We just can’t do it that way anymore because of the market has changed.
David: 27:32 You know, the market’s shifted under our feet and you can’t just stay the course that you’ve always done. What worked in 2001 does not work in 2019 not even close. Okay. So let’s move on. What is one personal habit you think contributes to your success customer? Nah, I don’t want to say customer. I develop a relationship with every senior I photograph and I can develop it quickly. I’ve got a gift. God’s given me gifts. That’s one of the gifts I have. I’m very good with young people. I can connect quickly, I can work with them. And I know that’s, I know that’s my biggest asset. Yeah. So then when they leave they talk about you and they felt comfortable and like they’re getting, you’re getting better images, but then when they leave they’re like this David guys. Cool. Like we, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
David: 28:15 That’s, I know that’s big for me. Yeah. That’s awesome. Um, okay, so the next few questions are about, you know, Internet resources that people can look up in books. And so before we got on the podcast, I said, do you have a book that you can recommend? And you said this funny thing you said, I only read, I don’t read books, I only, I only read one a decade and you said you’re 59 and whatever. So you only have, and I haven’t read my book yet for this decade, so you’re not going to recommend necessarily a book, which I think is hilarious because we, I, we asked, uh, Vicky teacher, uh, the same thing. And she was like, I don’t read books. Like she’s like, I have Jabari read them and tell me about him. And I thought it was hilarious. I’ve got this great book idea I want to do and, and people tell me I should write a book all the time, but I don’t read books.
David: 29:01 So I really don’t think I’m qualified to write books. But then, but that could be, yeah, it might’ve been my, that might be my thing. You’d be like, that’s awkward author out there because like all these were sick of hearing all these authors write books that cause their offers. Like to have an unpolished one, it may be exactly what we need. Okay. So if you were like, what’s one place like an internet resource that you go to for either inspiration or tools or something like that? I used to go to 500 picks a lot. Sean Archer is very inspirational to me and he made his whole infamy from 500 pigs. Yes. It’s getting a little sleazy now, so it’s not, yeah, it’s good. A little risk and it’s not,
Matt: 29:42 what do you like it? I like his style because it seems very window light ask, you know, on the lefthand side and stuff like that. And it’s a little risque, but I mean it’s, it’s strong photography.
David: 29:50 Well, yeah. And there’s other, there’s other photographers on there too. I like Emily Soto. That’s where I first saw her was on there. And she’s a phenomenal fashion photographer. Uh, there’s a couple other ones from Russia that I can’t pronounce their names that I follow from there, but that was my, that was my inspiration in, in as much for not so much how it’s lit, but what the finished product looked like that, that led me. Um, the posing stuff I I see on there is pretty cool too, but I just liked the creativity.
Matt: 30:24 Yeah. That’s really interesting is that, cause I remember I haven’t used that resource in a long time, so I remember when photo.net was like the place to go. Right. And that was probably like 2006, seven and everybody went to photo.net and then it switched over to 500 px. And um, a lot of those photographers moved over and he was a little bit easier to use, you know, just a better site. Was it run by the same people? I don’t know if it was or not, but it just seemed like every,
David: 30:47 do you kind of gravitate to be one called, it was a critique site. It’s,
Matt: 30:52 I’m going to make a joke because they, there used to be a hot or not where you remember, you remember that from 2006 I was never on hot or not. I’m just saying that I have never been on a hiring. Fair enough. Fair enough.
David: 31:05 No, this was um, I can’t think of it, but you had to, you would post photos. Oh. And in order to be able to post photos, you had to write critiques of other people’s photos and in the process of learning how to write a critique taught you how to be a better photographer. And the critiques were brutal. I mean, there were people on there that were just raw and brutal and some were, you know, constructive criticism. I learned so much from that. This was 2001 2002, 2003 way back then. I learned so much from that, just trying to please a few, a holes that were so brutal, but trying to get things through. And I learned a ton from that website and now it’s again, it went the creepy too much.
Matt: 31:58 Yeah, I need to be gay. I mean it seems like a lot of those things where like the other one that was really interested in, this is not someone, I’m just thinking back to old sites. It was like called like worth 1000 or something like that. Cause it was like it’s under the idea that a picture is worth a thousand words and it had a lot, it did a lot of critique stuff for awhile and then it switched over a lot of like Photoshop tutorials. Like this was like pre video. So like it would have like the 19 steps on how to do something in Photoshop written. No. Yeah, we’re now up now out now. It’s like a 32nd video. Um, but yeah, that’s really interesting. I haven’t thought about some of those sites in a long time. So yeah, I think I’m going to definitely spend some time on 500 px this week cause there’s great.
Matt: 32:36 I like you said, especially like the Russian photographers, Eastern European photographers that are onsite there. Killer. The fashion stuff is what I look at. I mean that’s what I’m shooting for. I want to see what’s hot in fashion. And so that’s why I go there. Yeah, that’s awesome. Okay, so, um, just the last little thing and then we’ll wrap up. Any parting advice you have? You know, because you’re such a successful photographer, any parting advice you have for our audience that’s listening, like maybe somebody that’s getting into it or somebody that’s established, you know, wherever you want to go with it.
David: 33:09 Do what you love. And I know that sounds Cliche, but if you’re trying to do and be like someone else, you’re never going to be happy with your work. I agree. So you’re on a bearer of God to develop your own, look in your own feel and then learn, learn, learn how to do the techniques, learn how to use your equipment, learn how to use lighting, learn from, from people that you know are better than you, that are excellent teachers and you will grow. But to try and do it yourself and figure it out yourself, you will get so frustrated as soon as you start going to workshops going. And I say that as an educator and it sounds self promoting and that’s not what I’m trying to do. But I know the steps I had as soon as I started going to conferences and learning from other people, the faster I got to the results that I wanted to be at.
Matt: 34:02 Yeah. And I think that’s so true. And I would just awesome on that same aspect, encourage people just to reach out to people. I was like three years ago that I read, I came to sink and I was like, I want to meet Bonner. And that’s what I, that was like my goal when I got here. And I mean we’d followed her for years. Alison was like a major fan girl of her for a long time. And I was to Allison and, uh, I walked in and I was like, and she, we’d already met, but I’m like, oh, she’s not going to remember me from anybody. And we, I, she remembered me and we just started talking in, fast forward to three years forward and we’re recording a podcast together every week. And it’s really, really cool. Um, so I just encourage like all these photographers, no matter how big and famous they are, they’re just people too. Yeah. So just reach out to him. So awesome. So that’s really where, where we should leave it. Um, so everybody, David Beckham, tell them real quick how they can follow you again. Give your Simon Instagram
David: 34:56 is David Beckham photography. I’m on Facebook as David Beck and photography and I have an ask. David has asked David, it’s my education site and we talk about anything, anything we want to, everything’s on there. And I’m an open book. He asked me a question, I’m going to get an answered depending on how busy it is. Usually I can answer it in a day the same day, but sometimes it takes a couple of days, but there’s a lot of other really good photographers on there too that offers some advice as well. And then my workshops and other things like that.
Matt: 35:26 Awesome. Yeah. And so you guys definitely check is check his, his, his website out, check out his work. It’s, I think some of the best in the industry.
David: 35:34 Got An article coming out in the next issue of magazine. I did. They asked me to write something every year for seniors and I usually write two articles a year for shutter. They there, it’s, in my opinion, the best educational magazine out there. It’s run through south sand Katas a shutter empire and it is, it’s phenomenal education. Um, I’m going to be speaking out there and Saint Louis coming up to shutter fest chowder fest. Yeah. Um, then there’s, I’m also going to be in PPA but that’s just one of my, they had me there posting one of my photos that did really well at the last image comp. Awesome. Awesome. We’ll call everybody. So make sure you guys look up David Back Com. Feel free to obviously reach out to him because he’s an open book as you can tell. He’s a super nice guy. Don’t let his amazing photography, uh, intimidate you and look up his work shots. I mean, if he’s doing six person workshops like that would be so, so valuable. So look him up and uh, thanks for tuning in and we’ll see you guys next week.
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